I hate you. You barely leave a mark after going over the same spot 20 times. Now I do admit that I have only tried one kind but I am afraid to spend money on anymore of them. Usually I just use markers, pins, or highlighters but I want this skirt to look nice. So I am trying to use the right things. Well, if anyone has any fabric pencils that they swear by PLEASE let me know. This things are driving me crazy! Now I must get back to it.